scale and because nobody really wanted to take it on and because it is involved in some way the power of the local imam and faith tradition leader, what ever it was. i feel like i'm beginning to give a lecture and preach, and i never intended to do that. [laughter] no one else is coming up to the microphone. what we call it a de -- one more. okay, one more -- >> [inaudible] >> of the boys were much, much older. and actually, sometimes he would have authority-year-old man and a 13 year old or even in a 80-year-old and a 12-year-old tree all of those. just to give you a sense of it, i did speak to one girl in one of the villages in ethiopia because we were allowed to speak to, you know, in more detail. she told me that she was 16 and she'd been married for a year. i would say her husband was probably 30. in fairness he didn't say a word.